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	<title>Comments on: NPF: BEING FEMALE IS COMPLICATED</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/05/01/npf-being-female-is-complicated/comment-page-1/#comment-15197</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 19:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thread reminded me of a conversation I had with one of my best friends from university (who I&#039;m still close to after 20+ years).  She said that the one thing she envied gay men for was that they didn&#039;t have to rely on straight men to get laid.  I assured her that having to rely on other gay men for that wasn&#039;t always a picnic either, but point taken.
One of the advantages for me, now that I&#039;m married and a father, is that our sons get to see both their fathers interacting with women in a friendly and respectful way, so even if they turn out straight, they&#039;ll still have that early exposure.  And I won&#039;t have to take them shopping for brassieres.


If, on their own, and for reasons unforeseen, they _want_ to be taken shopping for brassiers, my husband will handle it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thread reminded me of a conversation I had with one of my best friends from university (who I&#039;m still close to after 20+ years).  She said that the one thing she envied gay men for was that they didn&#039;t have to rely on straight men to get laid.  I assured her that having to rely on other gay men for that wasn&#039;t always a picnic either, but point taken.<br />
One of the advantages for me, now that I&#039;m married and a father, is that our sons get to see both their fathers interacting with women in a friendly and respectful way, so even if they turn out straight, they&#039;ll still have that early exposure.  And I won&#039;t have to take them shopping for brassieres.</p>
<p>If, on their own, and for reasons unforeseen, they _want_ to be taken shopping for brassiers, my husband will handle it.</p>
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		<title>By: MarilynJean</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarilynJean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 20:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed,

I love you so....hard. So hard. It&#039;s not even funny. I fucking love your sarcastic wit. Your humor is the same as mine. You make data sexy. Need I go on? 

Damn right, Ed, this isn&#039;t livejournal and emoticons and qualifiers are lame. 

I JUST had a snafu over the weekend with some Gays. I sent a message over Facebook asking people why they hated gay people because they hadn&#039;t responded to this event invitation that was for The Gays. I had to issue an apology and listen to people tell me that my sense of humor wasn&#039;t funny. I&#039;m a queer, they&#039;re queers. I thought the irony would be spot on. So this exchange right here hits close to home. If you can&#039;t laugh at oppression and patriarchal bullshit, you might as well throw yourself off a bridge now because shit aint gettin no better.

But in regards to the topic: who gives a shit if your nipples are erect? Seriously? They are nipples. They might as well be earlobes for all I care. I understand the weight society gives nipples, but why should I be concerned if they are perkier than usual? I have breasts, dammit. Beautiful ones I am told, so there is no reason people should be alarmed if my nipples reflect the coldness of the room. 

Whatever. Great post as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,</p>
<p>I love you so&#8230;.hard. So hard. It&#039;s not even funny. I fucking love your sarcastic wit. Your humor is the same as mine. You make data sexy. Need I go on? </p>
<p>Damn right, Ed, this isn&#039;t livejournal and emoticons and qualifiers are lame. </p>
<p>I JUST had a snafu over the weekend with some Gays. I sent a message over Facebook asking people why they hated gay people because they hadn&#039;t responded to this event invitation that was for The Gays. I had to issue an apology and listen to people tell me that my sense of humor wasn&#039;t funny. I&#039;m a queer, they&#039;re queers. I thought the irony would be spot on. So this exchange right here hits close to home. If you can&#039;t laugh at oppression and patriarchal bullshit, you might as well throw yourself off a bridge now because shit aint gettin no better.</p>
<p>But in regards to the topic: who gives a shit if your nipples are erect? Seriously? They are nipples. They might as well be earlobes for all I care. I understand the weight society gives nipples, but why should I be concerned if they are perkier than usual? I have breasts, dammit. Beautiful ones I am told, so there is no reason people should be alarmed if my nipples reflect the coldness of the room. </p>
<p>Whatever. Great post as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/05/01/npf-being-female-is-complicated/comment-page-1/#comment-15071</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 19:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no reason for you to apologize.

Your point has been made quite clearly. Suggesting that I should rethink my position is great. I certainly do re-think things when groups of people I respect tell me I&#039;m wrong.

That said, re-thought does not always produce a change in my position. I know what my own intent is, and I am comfortable that my motives are not insidious. 

Sacred cows don&#039;t work with humor. Either you find the concept of me making fun of horrible things (such as, for example, misogyny or racism) in offensive ways funny or you do not. My only complaints come when people pick and choose issues that &quot;aren&#039;t funny.&quot;

Nobody complains when I sarcastically adopt the voice of a rural idiot talking about &quot;them colored folk.&quot; That is pretty offensive. It&#039;s also funny, and you also know that I don&#039;t mean &quot;I approve of this worldview&quot;. Nobody complains when I make jokes about abortion, the Holocaust, prisoner abuse, and every other manner of horrible thing. 

I can live with &quot;You&#039;re not funny.&quot; What is impossible for me, or anyone else, to accomodate is an attitude that a few subjects are off limits. My style of humor is often to say a stupid, misogynist thing to highlight the fact that misogyny is stupid. Again, if that is not acceptable to you, I understand. My attitude remains that consistency is important. Picking and choosing doesn&#039;t work because we will all pick and choose different things, and by the time we get done removing everything that someone calls &quot;off limits&quot; we have a Leno monologue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no reason for you to apologize.</p>
<p>Your point has been made quite clearly. Suggesting that I should rethink my position is great. I certainly do re-think things when groups of people I respect tell me I&#039;m wrong.</p>
<p>That said, re-thought does not always produce a change in my position. I know what my own intent is, and I am comfortable that my motives are not insidious. </p>
<p>Sacred cows don&#039;t work with humor. Either you find the concept of me making fun of horrible things (such as, for example, misogyny or racism) in offensive ways funny or you do not. My only complaints come when people pick and choose issues that &#034;aren&#039;t funny.&#034;</p>
<p>Nobody complains when I sarcastically adopt the voice of a rural idiot talking about &#034;them colored folk.&#034; That is pretty offensive. It&#039;s also funny, and you also know that I don&#039;t mean &#034;I approve of this worldview&#034;. Nobody complains when I make jokes about abortion, the Holocaust, prisoner abuse, and every other manner of horrible thing. </p>
<p>I can live with &#034;You&#039;re not funny.&#034; What is impossible for me, or anyone else, to accomodate is an attitude that a few subjects are off limits. My style of humor is often to say a stupid, misogynist thing to highlight the fact that misogyny is stupid. Again, if that is not acceptable to you, I understand. My attitude remains that consistency is important. Picking and choosing doesn&#039;t work because we will all pick and choose different things, and by the time we get done removing everything that someone calls &#034;off limits&#034; we have a Leno monologue.</p>
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		<title>By: delagar</title>
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		<dc:creator>delagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m overreacting.  I&#039;m sorry.  It&#039;s been a bad week.

I take it back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m overreacting.  I&#039;m sorry.  It&#039;s been a bad week.</p>
<p>I take it back.</p>
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		<title>By: delagar</title>
		<link>http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/05/01/npf-being-female-is-complicated/comment-page-1/#comment-15069</link>
		<dc:creator>delagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 18:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, well, never mind.

This is what exhausts us.  Some guy we like, who is obviously clever and perceptive, says something appalling, about women.

Well, what&#039;s our option?  We can shut up, which, you know, we do, a lot.  And I mean a fucking lot.  You have no idea how often we just shut up and eat this shit.

Or we can, as nicely as fucking possible, Ed, point out that maybe you want to rethink your position.

Then we can be told we&#039;re acting like crybabies, silly girls with no sense of humor.

(http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/glosario.html#witedisdain)

If I didn&#039;t have a ten-year-old, maybe I would shut up.

I know it&#039;s your blog and you can do what you want.

Well, do what you want.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, well, never mind.</p>
<p>This is what exhausts us.  Some guy we like, who is obviously clever and perceptive, says something appalling, about women.</p>
<p>Well, what&#039;s our option?  We can shut up, which, you know, we do, a lot.  And I mean a fucking lot.  You have no idea how often we just shut up and eat this shit.</p>
<p>Or we can, as nicely as fucking possible, Ed, point out that maybe you want to rethink your position.</p>
<p>Then we can be told we&#039;re acting like crybabies, silly girls with no sense of humor.</p>
<p>(<a href="http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/glosario.html#witedisdain" rel="nofollow">http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/glosario.html#witedisdain</a>)</p>
<p>If I didn&#039;t have a ten-year-old, maybe I would shut up.</p>
<p>I know it&#039;s your blog and you can do what you want.</p>
<p>Well, do what you want.</p>
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		<title>By: dbsmall</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbsmall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 04:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um...let&#039;s diverge into a dissection of humor to the point where it&#039;s no longer funny.

Dude, I honestly didn&#039;t get the sarcasm.  Even reading it again:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;I’ve long believed that, rampant societal misogyny aside, being female is a pretty sweet deal. This commercial changed everything.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I think that, given the subordinate qualifying phrase, it was hard to detect the first statement as sarcasm.

I suspect it had something to do with my brain being less effective once the topic of discussion was boobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;let&#039;s diverge into a dissection of humor to the point where it&#039;s no longer funny.</p>
<p>Dude, I honestly didn&#039;t get the sarcasm.  Even reading it again:<br />
<i>&#034;I’ve long believed that, rampant societal misogyny aside, being female is a pretty sweet deal. This commercial changed everything.&#034;</i></p>
<p>I think that, given the subordinate qualifying phrase, it was hard to detect the first statement as sarcasm.</p>
<p>I suspect it had something to do with my brain being less effective once the topic of discussion was boobs.</p>
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		<title>By: Peggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 20:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the record--I assumed you were joking. I thought it was pretty clear that you were making fun of the different expectations for men&#039;s and women&#039;s professional attire when you talked about getting dressed in the dark, and that you were ridiculing the commercial, not the actual bra. But I know you in person and am a long-time reader, so... 

Also, amusingly, I mentioned this post to one of my coworkers, and she was all &quot;Oh yeah! I have that bra! It&#039;s AWESOME!!!&quot;

[ tmi? ] The main benefit of that kind of thing is for the woman with large enough breasts that she doesn&#039;t want a &quot;full coverage&quot; bra (which is often padded all over) but does want to prevent nip showage. We both prefer to avoid the padding (seriously, I do not need help in that area!) but it&#039;s tough to be &quot;modest&quot; in terms of nips while avoiding giant overpadded bras.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the record&#8211;I assumed you were joking. I thought it was pretty clear that you were making fun of the different expectations for men&#039;s and women&#039;s professional attire when you talked about getting dressed in the dark, and that you were ridiculing the commercial, not the actual bra. But I know you in person and am a long-time reader, so&#8230; </p>
<p>Also, amusingly, I mentioned this post to one of my coworkers, and she was all &#034;Oh yeah! I have that bra! It&#039;s AWESOME!!!&#034;</p>
<p>[ tmi? ] The main benefit of that kind of thing is for the woman with large enough breasts that she doesn&#039;t want a &#034;full coverage&#034; bra (which is often padded all over) but does want to prevent nip showage. We both prefer to avoid the padding (seriously, I do not need help in that area!) but it&#039;s tough to be &#034;modest&#034; in terms of nips while avoiding giant overpadded bras.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 19:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I am not 16 and this is not a LiveJournal, I&#039;m not going to reduce myself to writing things like &quot;(sarcasm) being female is really awesome (/sarcasm)&quot;.

If that level of humor is indicative of standing up for the patriarchy and counting myself among the ignorant masses of male oppressors, then I don&#039;t know what to say. This is the wrong blog for you, I guess. You can&#039;t have a sense of humor about everything except gender issues and expect that a person with a sense of humor is going to accomodate your boundaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I am not 16 and this is not a LiveJournal, I&#039;m not going to reduce myself to writing things like &#034;(sarcasm) being female is really awesome (/sarcasm)&#034;.</p>
<p>If that level of humor is indicative of standing up for the patriarchy and counting myself among the ignorant masses of male oppressors, then I don&#039;t know what to say. This is the wrong blog for you, I guess. You can&#039;t have a sense of humor about everything except gender issues and expect that a person with a sense of humor is going to accomodate your boundaries.</p>
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		<title>By: delagar</title>
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		<dc:creator>delagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 15:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Beth said.  I&#039;ve been avoiding commenting on this post because I know Ed didn&#039;t mean any harm, and because I love this blog so much.  But yes, think this one through a little more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Beth said.  I&#039;ve been avoiding commenting on this post because I know Ed didn&#039;t mean any harm, and because I love this blog so much.  But yes, think this one through a little more.</p>
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