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		<title>By: grendelkhan</title>
		<link>http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/07/13/disaster-capitalism/comment-page-1/#comment-16381</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, heck. I&#039;ll just quote Thomas Frank. &lt;i&gt;What&#039;s the Matter With Kansas?&lt;/i&gt;, pages 54-55:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Driving to Garden City, which is far from any interstate highway and well beyond the reach of my cell-phone service, I was reminded of one of those New Economy parables that some computer company used to run on TV back in the nineties: A bright and eager junior executive is shown driving a hardened old senior executive far out into the countryside. On the way the old guy gripes about the price of doing business in Manhattan. Once out in the middle of nowhere, though, the kid&#039;s dream is explained to him: New communications technology makes Manhattan irrelevant! This isn&#039;t the boondocks; this is the &lt;i&gt;frontier&lt;/i&gt;--the land of opportunity. The old fellow&#039;s eyes light up as he gets it; he leaps and yips, a veritable cowboy. Out here he is his own master once again, a Wyatt Earp unencumbered by grandstanding aldermen or grievance-filing shop stewards or fancy intellectuals.

Driving back from Garden City, after taking in its brooding slaughterhouses and its unearthly odors and the feeder lots that sprawl over the landscape like some post-Apocalyptic suburb of death, I was reminded of another parable, one that the Kansas Populists used to talk about: the frontier as a site of ghastly, spectacular plunder. Buffalo carcasses littering the ground, cattle ranchers shooting down the Indians, corporations moving whole populations around the globe, farmers exhausting the land, railroads taking the farmers for all they&#039;re worth--free-market economics in full and unrestrained effect.

Viewed from Mission Hills, this is a social order that delivers quaint slate roofs, copper gutters, and gurgling fountains in elegant traffic islands; viewed from Garden City, it is an order that brings injury and infection and death by a hundred forms of degradation; rusting playgrounds for the kids, shabby decaying schools, a lifetime of productiveness gone in a few decades, and depleted groundwater, too. The anthropologists caution us in their sober way about a recipe for &quot;growth&quot; that blandly accepts a permanent impoverished class, but the people of Mission Hills are unfazed. They may be too polite to say it aloud, but they know that poverty rocks. Poverty is profitable. Poverty makes stocks go up and labor come down.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, that sounds about right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, heck. I&#039;ll just quote Thomas Frank. <i>What&#039;s the Matter With Kansas?</i>, pages 54-55:</p>
<blockquote><p>Driving to Garden City, which is far from any interstate highway and well beyond the reach of my cell-phone service, I was reminded of one of those New Economy parables that some computer company used to run on TV back in the nineties: A bright and eager junior executive is shown driving a hardened old senior executive far out into the countryside. On the way the old guy gripes about the price of doing business in Manhattan. Once out in the middle of nowhere, though, the kid&#039;s dream is explained to him: New communications technology makes Manhattan irrelevant! This isn&#039;t the boondocks; this is the <i>frontier</i>&#8211;the land of opportunity. The old fellow&#039;s eyes light up as he gets it; he leaps and yips, a veritable cowboy. Out here he is his own master once again, a Wyatt Earp unencumbered by grandstanding aldermen or grievance-filing shop stewards or fancy intellectuals.</p>
<p>Driving back from Garden City, after taking in its brooding slaughterhouses and its unearthly odors and the feeder lots that sprawl over the landscape like some post-Apocalyptic suburb of death, I was reminded of another parable, one that the Kansas Populists used to talk about: the frontier as a site of ghastly, spectacular plunder. Buffalo carcasses littering the ground, cattle ranchers shooting down the Indians, corporations moving whole populations around the globe, farmers exhausting the land, railroads taking the farmers for all they&#039;re worth&#8211;free-market economics in full and unrestrained effect.</p>
<p>Viewed from Mission Hills, this is a social order that delivers quaint slate roofs, copper gutters, and gurgling fountains in elegant traffic islands; viewed from Garden City, it is an order that brings injury and infection and death by a hundred forms of degradation; rusting playgrounds for the kids, shabby decaying schools, a lifetime of productiveness gone in a few decades, and depleted groundwater, too. The anthropologists caution us in their sober way about a recipe for &#034;growth&#034; that blandly accepts a permanent impoverished class, but the people of Mission Hills are unfazed. They may be too polite to say it aloud, but they know that poverty rocks. Poverty is profitable. Poverty makes stocks go up and labor come down.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, that sounds about right.</p>
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		<title>By: grendelkhan</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m reminded of the descriptions of rural towns begging for meat-processing plants in &lt;i&gt;Fast Food Nation&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;What&#039;s the Matter With Kansas?&lt;/i&gt;. There, the industries don&#039;t even pretend that they&#039;ll bring in high-tech or well-paid jobs, and they hardly even employ locals at all, because they can get away with treating scared immigrants worse.

It all seems faintly pagan to me, like I&#039;m expecting the townsfolk to start offering up their young to be sacrificed so that the apple orchards will blossom again. On second thought, they already are offering up their young... but their town only gets more blighted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m reminded of the descriptions of rural towns begging for meat-processing plants in <i>Fast Food Nation</i> and <i>What&#039;s the Matter With Kansas?</i>. There, the industries don&#039;t even pretend that they&#039;ll bring in high-tech or well-paid jobs, and they hardly even employ locals at all, because they can get away with treating scared immigrants worse.</p>
<p>It all seems faintly pagan to me, like I&#039;m expecting the townsfolk to start offering up their young to be sacrificed so that the apple orchards will blossom again. On second thought, they already are offering up their young&#8230; but their town only gets more blighted.</p>
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		<title>By: burple</title>
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		<dc:creator>burple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My reaction was the same as jazzbumpa.  In the fall of 1984, when I was a high school senior in Terre Haute, Indiana, all the kids in my US History class were made to write grovelling letters to the CEO of Toyota, begging him to locate Toyota&#039;s new plant in Terre Haute.  As it turned out, Toyota must have found a place even shittier and more desperate than Terre Haute -- Georgetown, Kentucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My reaction was the same as jazzbumpa.  In the fall of 1984, when I was a high school senior in Terre Haute, Indiana, all the kids in my US History class were made to write grovelling letters to the CEO of Toyota, begging him to locate Toyota&#039;s new plant in Terre Haute.  As it turned out, Toyota must have found a place even shittier and more desperate than Terre Haute &#8212; Georgetown, Kentucky.</p>
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		<title>By: Desargues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desargues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds like the impending medium-term future, when Chinese sovereign wealth funds will be owning most of our asses. Sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds like the impending medium-term future, when Chinese sovereign wealth funds will be owning most of our asses. Sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: jazzbumpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>jazzbumpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desargues -

21st century Western civilization will be nothing but &lt;i&gt;sparse conglomerates of Jesus shacks, car dealerships, rusting post-industrial infrastructure, and laundromats (plus the inexorable gun store).&lt;/i&gt;

Manufacturers go there because the labor is cheap and unions non-existent.  The people are down-trodden and depressed, but they are trainable and have low expectations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desargues -</p>
<p>21st century Western civilization will be nothing but <i>sparse conglomerates of Jesus shacks, car dealerships, rusting post-industrial infrastructure, and laundromats (plus the inexorable gun store).</i></p>
<p>Manufacturers go there because the labor is cheap and unions non-existent.  The people are down-trodden and depressed, but they are trainable and have low expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: Desargues</title>
		<link>http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/07/13/disaster-capitalism/comment-page-1/#comment-16355</link>
		<dc:creator>Desargues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Christina has a point. Some of these places weren&#039;t meant to be populated to begin with. Settling new territory is a risky enterprise; some of it fails, quietly or spectacularly (e.g., Detroit). Rather than trying to put a BandAid on a wooden leg, better to move on (or back to the larger city or farming community where these adventurers left off in the first place). 

And really, what conceivable future as part of 21st century Western civilization can these places have, when they&#039;re little more than sparse conglomerates of Jesus shacks, car dealerships, rusting post-industrial infrastructure, and laundromats (plus the inexorable gun store). I mean, come on. 

I&#039;m still puzzled by a manufacturer&#039;s decision to set up shop in places where under-education and a host social problems run rampant. It may only be car assembly, but not anyone can do it productively and skillfully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Christina has a point. Some of these places weren&#039;t meant to be populated to begin with. Settling new territory is a risky enterprise; some of it fails, quietly or spectacularly (e.g., Detroit). Rather than trying to put a BandAid on a wooden leg, better to move on (or back to the larger city or farming community where these adventurers left off in the first place). </p>
<p>And really, what conceivable future as part of 21st century Western civilization can these places have, when they&#039;re little more than sparse conglomerates of Jesus shacks, car dealerships, rusting post-industrial infrastructure, and laundromats (plus the inexorable gun store). I mean, come on. </p>
<p>I&#039;m still puzzled by a manufacturer&#039;s decision to set up shop in places where under-education and a host social problems run rampant. It may only be car assembly, but not anyone can do it productively and skillfully.</p>
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		<title>By: Disgruntled Academic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Disgruntled Academic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re not a legitimate city, and you don&#039;t have mountains, oceans, dry heat, or a university, this is usually going to be a sad, futile effort.  I don&#039;t care how much money I could make; I&#039;m NOT moving to Connersville.  People have been moving to cities steadily for, what, 100 years?  Hiring one man or woman to be your town&#039;s economic developer (i.e., tax-break giver) isn&#039;t going to stem that tide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#039;re not a legitimate city, and you don&#039;t have mountains, oceans, dry heat, or a university, this is usually going to be a sad, futile effort.  I don&#039;t care how much money I could make; I&#039;m NOT moving to Connersville.  People have been moving to cities steadily for, what, 100 years?  Hiring one man or woman to be your town&#039;s economic developer (i.e., tax-break giver) isn&#039;t going to stem that tide.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve lived in these rural shitholes (Mt. Zion, GA.  Greasy Creek, TN. Look &#039;em up on a map.  I dare ya) and what the folks in charge always say at all the town meetings is, &quot;We MUST save our town!&quot;  I always said, &quot;Why? Why MUST this particular town be &#039;saved&#039;? What is it about this town that makes it unlike every other bait shop that set up business at a crossroads? Can we not just be absorbed by the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; shithole town down the road?&quot;  

I was often not invited to these meetings.  I can&#039;t understand why...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve lived in these rural shitholes (Mt. Zion, GA.  Greasy Creek, TN. Look &#039;em up on a map.  I dare ya) and what the folks in charge always say at all the town meetings is, &#034;We MUST save our town!&#034;  I always said, &#034;Why? Why MUST this particular town be &#039;saved&#039;? What is it about this town that makes it unlike every other bait shop that set up business at a crossroads? Can we not just be absorbed by the <i>other</i> shithole town down the road?&#034;  </p>
<p>I was often not invited to these meetings.  I can&#039;t understand why&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jazzbumpa</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post. And a good catch comparing small town depression capitalism to the shock doctrine.

My only quibble is with your time line.  This has been going on for decades.
Honda               Marysville, OH     1982
Nissan               Smyrna, TN         1983
NUMMI               Fremont, CA        1984
Mazda               Flat Rock, MI       1987
Diamomd Star    Normal, Ill           1988
Etc.

All wholly or partly foreign

Grabbed the table data here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=J3vMT3TU_zMC&amp;pg=PA38&amp;lpg=PA38&amp;dq=mazda+flat+rock+michigan&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=z4I2jjoYOC&amp;sig=JNfELMvh-NDgBBrmLbUWApuETiQ&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=vkZbSuK3NeGptgf67cmaCQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=11

Flat rock gave enormous concessions over 20 years ago.   I&#039;ll bet they haven&#039;t his break-even yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. And a good catch comparing small town depression capitalism to the shock doctrine.</p>
<p>My only quibble is with your time line.  This has been going on for decades.<br />
Honda               Marysville, OH     1982<br />
Nissan               Smyrna, TN         1983<br />
NUMMI               Fremont, CA        1984<br />
Mazda               Flat Rock, MI       1987<br />
Diamomd Star    Normal, Ill           1988<br />
Etc.</p>
<p>All wholly or partly foreign</p>
<p>Grabbed the table data here:<br />
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=J3vMT3TU_zMC&#038;pg=PA38&#038;lpg=PA38&#038;dq=mazda+flat+rock+michigan&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=z4I2jjoYOC&#038;sig=JNfELMvh-NDgBBrmLbUWApuETiQ&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=vkZbSuK3NeGptgf67cmaCQ&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=11" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=J3vMT3TU_zMC&#038;pg=PA38&#038;lpg=PA38&#038;dq=mazda+flat+rock+michigan&#038;source=bl&#038;ots=z4I2jjoYOC&#038;sig=JNfELMvh-NDgBBrmLbUWApuETiQ&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=vkZbSuK3NeGptgf67cmaCQ&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=11</a></p>
<p>Flat rock gave enormous concessions over 20 years ago.   I&#039;ll bet they haven&#039;t his break-even yet.</p>
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