Comments on: HOLIER THAN THOU http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/09/17/holier-than-thou/ OPIATE OF THE ASSES Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:57:01 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Desargues http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/09/17/holier-than-thou/comment-page-1/#comment-17972 Desargues Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:06:25 +0000 http://www.ginandtacos.com/?p=2498#comment-17972 I'm glad to be an ex-everything. I'm glad to be an ex-everything.

]]> By: Sarah http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/09/17/holier-than-thou/comment-page-1/#comment-17969 Sarah Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:33:13 +0000 http://www.ginandtacos.com/?p=2498#comment-17969 I think the Church is, in fact, trying to use us nobodies as pawns in political grandstanding. They got all bent out of shape over all the Catholics who voted for Obama while knowing the guy is pro-choice. They should most definitely give up their tax exemption, if they are going to get hot and bothered about what I'm doing when I am in a voting booth. And that's yet another reason I'm glad to be an ex-Catholic. I think the Church is, in fact, trying to use us nobodies as pawns in political grandstanding. They got all bent out of shape over all the Catholics who voted for Obama while knowing the guy is pro-choice. They should most definitely give up their tax exemption, if they are going to get hot and bothered about what I'm doing when I am in a voting booth. And that's yet another reason I'm glad to be an ex-Catholic.

]]> By: Desargues http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/09/17/holier-than-thou/comment-page-1/#comment-17962 Desargues Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:26:11 +0000 http://www.ginandtacos.com/?p=2498#comment-17962 Maybe a shithead like Donahue can't be stopped from running at the mouth on all sorts of bullshit theologico-political points; he's a layman. But if it's true, as you suggest, that sometimes Catholic clergymen engage in this Dem-baiting, then I expect their ecclesiastical superiors to throw the book at them, since this is clearly stupid and out of line. Unlike Protestants, Catholics are supposed to recognize a rather strict pecking order in their hierarchy. So, if is no archbishop calls out whatever fascist little priest mumbles shit about Kerry not good enough for sacraments, I infer that these higher prelates are complicit in the manufacturing of such knock-off outrage. It's as if they're complicit in this scam. What will they do next? Look away as pedophile priests abuse children? Shield them from retribution? Oh, wait... Maybe a shithead like Donahue can't be stopped from running at the mouth on all sorts of bullshit theologico-political points; he's a layman. But if it's true, as you suggest, that sometimes Catholic clergymen engage in this Dem-baiting, then I expect their ecclesiastical superiors to throw the book at them, since this is clearly stupid and out of line. Unlike Protestants, Catholics are supposed to recognize a rather strict pecking order in their hierarchy. So, if is no archbishop calls out whatever fascist little priest mumbles shit about Kerry not good enough for sacraments, I infer that these higher prelates are complicit in the manufacturing of such knock-off outrage. It's as if they're complicit in this scam. What will they do next? Look away as pedophile priests abuse children? Shield them from retribution?

Oh, wait…

]]> By: displaced capitalist http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/09/17/holier-than-thou/comment-page-1/#comment-17961 displaced capitalist Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:24:20 +0000 http://www.ginandtacos.com/?p=2498#comment-17961 Whoops, the "self" in "self-righteous" above was supposed to have a strike through. My attempt at sarcastic humor was FAIL. Whoops, the "self" in "self-righteous" above was supposed to have a strike through. My attempt at sarcastic humor was FAIL.

]]> By: displaced capitalist http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/09/17/holier-than-thou/comment-page-1/#comment-17960 displaced capitalist Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:22:30 +0000 http://www.ginandtacos.com/?p=2498#comment-17960 I think I can answer some of the questions here: <blockquote>Aren’t private citizens denied sacraments when they are known to have committed mortal sins?</blockquote> Yep, you're right, and the key word there is "<b>committed</b>". Since neither Kerry nor Kennedy ever practiced gynecology in their life, I don't think they ever <em>committed</em> the mortal sin of abortion. <blockquote>Why are people who oppose programs for the poor allowed communion or Catholic burials?</blockquote> Because programs for the poor aren't mortal sins. <blockquote>Will Catholics who support the death penalty be denied the sacs?</blockquote> The difference here--as has been explained to me by more self-righteous people than me--is a matter of scale. In any given year only a few hundred people are killed by death penalty, while millions of fetuses are aborted each year. Therefor their goals is to stop polycide first and worry about homicide later. The biggest shame about the Catholic Church is their hypocritical unwillingness to compromise. <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2224154/" rel="nofollow">See William Saletan's great article</a> about how Catholics really just want stop sex, not abortion. I think I can answer some of the questions here:

Aren’t private citizens denied sacraments when they are known to have committed mortal sins?

Yep, you're right, and the key word there is "committed". Since neither Kerry nor Kennedy ever practiced gynecology in their life, I don't think they ever committed the mortal sin of abortion.

Why are people who oppose programs for the poor allowed communion or Catholic burials?

Because programs for the poor aren't mortal sins.

Will Catholics who support the death penalty be denied the sacs?

The difference here–as has been explained to me by more self-righteous people than me–is a matter of scale. In any given year only a few hundred people are killed by death penalty, while millions of fetuses are aborted each year. Therefor their goals is to stop polycide first and worry about homicide later.

The biggest shame about the Catholic Church is their hypocritical unwillingness to compromise. See William Saletan's great article about how Catholics really just want stop sex, not abortion.

]]> By: Susan of Texas http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/09/17/holier-than-thou/comment-page-1/#comment-17959 Susan of Texas Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:53:00 +0000 http://www.ginandtacos.com/?p=2498#comment-17959 But you're also supposed to have confessed all your sins before you take communnion, something routinely ignored these days. But you're also supposed to have confessed all your sins before you take communnion, something routinely ignored these days.

]]> By: Pat http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/09/17/holier-than-thou/comment-page-1/#comment-17958 Pat Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:42:05 +0000 http://www.ginandtacos.com/?p=2498#comment-17958 What the sacrament denialists (or whatever we're calling these idiots) are willfully ignoring is a basic tenet of Catholicism: humans are sinners, and the sacraments are supposed to be the way to overcome that to get back in God's grace. To say that a sinner shouldn't receive a sacrament is the exact same logic as saying a cancer patient shouldn't receive chemo, since the patient is sick. It's basic Catholic theology on the nature of the sacraments, and to argue contrarily is to actively ignore everything the church says. What the sacrament denialists (or whatever we're calling these idiots) are willfully ignoring is a basic tenet of Catholicism: humans are sinners, and the sacraments are supposed to be the way to overcome that to get back in God's grace. To say that a sinner shouldn't receive a sacrament is the exact same logic as saying a cancer patient shouldn't receive chemo, since the patient is sick. It's basic Catholic theology on the nature of the sacraments, and to argue contrarily is to actively ignore everything the church says.

]]> By: Whatever http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/09/17/holier-than-thou/comment-page-1/#comment-17957 Whatever Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:14:38 +0000 http://www.ginandtacos.com/?p=2498#comment-17957 Don't forget, the Church's stance on capital punishment is similar to it's stance on abortion. Will Catholics who support the death penalty be denied the sacs? Don't forget, the Church's stance on capital punishment is similar to it's stance on abortion. Will Catholics who support the death penalty be denied the sacs?

]]> By: Wauwatosa Whacko http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/09/17/holier-than-thou/comment-page-1/#comment-17956 Wauwatosa Whacko Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:20:43 +0000 http://www.ginandtacos.com/?p=2498#comment-17956 I'm no Catholic but it seems to me catholicism is big on social justice. This being the case, why are people who oppose programs for the poor allowed communion or Catholic burials? The other question of political-religious hypocrisy that always gets me is, if we need laws protecting us from teh geys because the Bible makes a reference to homosexuality being wrong, then don't we need confiscatory tax policies since the bible also clearly warns us that being rich makes it pretty hard to get into heaven? I'm no Catholic but it seems to me catholicism is big on social justice. This being the case, why are people who oppose programs for the poor allowed communion or Catholic burials?

The other question of political-religious hypocrisy that always gets me is, if we need laws protecting us from teh geys because the Bible makes a reference to homosexuality being wrong, then don't we need confiscatory tax policies since the bible also clearly warns us that being rich makes it pretty hard to get into heaven?

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