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		<title>By: SeaTea</title>
		<link>http://www.ginandtacos.com/2009/09/28/iran-part-i-the-jet-stream/comment-page-1/#comment-18179</link>
		<dc:creator>SeaTea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rational thought from a rational guy.  Thanks!  As sappy as it sounds, one of the things that helped me get over my profound fears of nuclear war (child of the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s here) was that Sting song &quot;Russians&quot;.  It&#039;s worth a re-read now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rational thought from a rational guy.  Thanks!  As sappy as it sounds, one of the things that helped me get over my profound fears of nuclear war (child of the 70&#039;s and 80&#039;s here) was that Sting song &#034;Russians&#034;.  It&#039;s worth a re-read now.</p>
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		<title>By: ladiesbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>ladiesbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 03:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: item #2:  If they are aware of hot fallout, they probably think a merciful deity will spare their righteous asses, or that they will die for a good cause.  Ahmedinejad appointed a self-aggrandizing conservative cleric (who lies about his accomplishments and credentials) as his Minister of Science and Technology, and A. is what...a civil engineer, by trade?  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if &quot;Iran&quot; thinks an electron is the size and shape of a lentil.  

If any of their intellectual elite remain alive and unincarcerated, I&#039;m sure they are as embarrassed as I was when Bush hired all those Christian college graduates.  I blush to think of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: item #2:  If they are aware of hot fallout, they probably think a merciful deity will spare their righteous asses, or that they will die for a good cause.  Ahmedinejad appointed a self-aggrandizing conservative cleric (who lies about his accomplishments and credentials) as his Minister of Science and Technology, and A. is what&#8230;a civil engineer, by trade?  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if &#034;Iran&#034; thinks an electron is the size and shape of a lentil.  </p>
<p>If any of their intellectual elite remain alive and unincarcerated, I&#039;m sure they are as embarrassed as I was when Bush hired all those Christian college graduates.  I blush to think of it.</p>
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		<title>By: JABbering Stooge :: The Day After Iran Fluoridates Our Water Supply :: September :: 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>JABbering Stooge :: The Day After Iran Fluoridates Our Water Supply :: September :: 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Shame on you, Ed! You know better than to confuse Sens. Joe Lieberman, Evan Bayh and John Kyl with the facts about what would happen to Iran should they try to nuke Israel! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Shame on you, Ed! You know better than to confuse Sens. Joe Lieberman, Evan Bayh and John Kyl with the facts about what would happen to Iran should they try to nuke Israel! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: beau</title>
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		<dc:creator>beau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 23:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post ed.

I&#039;ll take option 3. This kind of talk keeps a certain part of the Iranian population relatively happy/ quiet. That this is also the part most likely to start blowing shit up/ assassinating politicians if they are unhappy also probably contributes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post ed.</p>
<p>I&#039;ll take option 3. This kind of talk keeps a certain part of the Iranian population relatively happy/ quiet. That this is also the part most likely to start blowing shit up/ assassinating politicians if they are unhappy also probably contributes.</p>
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		<title>By: Desargues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desargues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point (1) has been making the rounds of right-wing radio; a cousin of my wife&#039;s recently espoused it to me. He dropped out of high-school, and stopped taking his meds years ago (he&#039;s actually a paranoid schizophrenic). Those who take (1) to be true must explain why they believe te ruling establishment in Iran would relinquish wealth, privilege, and power in favor of annihilation; also, why they&#039;d let the few fanatics in their midst inflict than upon them. 

A common mistake some commit is to assume that Iran is some monolithic political entity, where decision-making goes entirely top-down, emanating from a single source. Often, that source is taken to be A-Jad. Hence, they reason, if Mahmud and a few of his cronies are demonstrably insane, they can put the entire country at risk without concern for the consequences. Both presumptions are false. The bestubbled president, whose close-set eyes eerily remind one of G-Dubs, is only number &lt;i&gt;three&lt;/i&gt; in the hierarchy. Even if Iran gets a working nuke, I doubt he&#039;ll be the one who gets to hold the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;atomic football&lt;/a&gt;. Second, the Revolutionary Guards and the military elites are less bent on messianic hellfire; decades of plum jobs running corrupt state enterprises makes one fat, lazy, and prone to maintaining the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point (1) has been making the rounds of right-wing radio; a cousin of my wife&#039;s recently espoused it to me. He dropped out of high-school, and stopped taking his meds years ago (he&#039;s actually a paranoid schizophrenic). Those who take (1) to be true must explain why they believe te ruling establishment in Iran would relinquish wealth, privilege, and power in favor of annihilation; also, why they&#039;d let the few fanatics in their midst inflict than upon them. </p>
<p>A common mistake some commit is to assume that Iran is some monolithic political entity, where decision-making goes entirely top-down, emanating from a single source. Often, that source is taken to be A-Jad. Hence, they reason, if Mahmud and a few of his cronies are demonstrably insane, they can put the entire country at risk without concern for the consequences. Both presumptions are false. The bestubbled president, whose close-set eyes eerily remind one of G-Dubs, is only number <i>three</i> in the hierarchy. Even if Iran gets a working nuke, I doubt he&#039;ll be the one who gets to hold the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football" rel="nofollow">atomic football</a>. Second, the Revolutionary Guards and the military elites are less bent on messianic hellfire; decades of plum jobs running corrupt state enterprises makes one fat, lazy, and prone to maintaining the status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: Nan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I thought policy in Iran was made by the posturing loudmouth that serves as their president, I&#039;d worry.  Ayatollah Khamenei, on the other hand, may be a conservative in Iranian politics, but he&#039;s not an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I thought policy in Iran was made by the posturing loudmouth that serves as their president, I&#039;d worry.  Ayatollah Khamenei, on the other hand, may be a conservative in Iranian politics, but he&#039;s not an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: jazzbumpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>jazzbumpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in 1946 - one of your older readers, and thanks for the acknowledgement - and also do not recall ever seeing that map before.

Looks like the Commies would have to nuke Houston, Brownsville, or perhaps Mexicali to have the cloud make it to Cuba.

Like a couple of others, I don&#039;t consider #1 to be quite as unlikely as you present it.  The mention of Hitler is rather cogent.  His plan was war - consolidate the conquest - rinse and repeat as necessary.  Certainly a lot of pure-bred blonde aryan cannon-fodder would have been sacrificed along the way.

And it&#039;s not safe to assume that Iran&#039;s extremists are any more sane than ours, just because they have total control of the Gummint.

I don&#039;t know anything about the education and general knowledge level of the ruling powers in Iran.  But if they are anything like the Taliban in Afhganistan, they don&#039;t know jack shit about anything, which could well include both fallout and wind.

By the way, #&#039;s 1, 2, and 3 are not mutually exclusive propositions.  The truth is probably a very ugly melange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in 1946 &#8211; one of your older readers, and thanks for the acknowledgement &#8211; and also do not recall ever seeing that map before.</p>
<p>Looks like the Commies would have to nuke Houston, Brownsville, or perhaps Mexicali to have the cloud make it to Cuba.</p>
<p>Like a couple of others, I don&#039;t consider #1 to be quite as unlikely as you present it.  The mention of Hitler is rather cogent.  His plan was war &#8211; consolidate the conquest &#8211; rinse and repeat as necessary.  Certainly a lot of pure-bred blonde aryan cannon-fodder would have been sacrificed along the way.</p>
<p>And it&#039;s not safe to assume that Iran&#039;s extremists are any more sane than ours, just because they have total control of the Gummint.</p>
<p>I don&#039;t know anything about the education and general knowledge level of the ruling powers in Iran.  But if they are anything like the Taliban in Afhganistan, they don&#039;t know jack shit about anything, which could well include both fallout and wind.</p>
<p>By the way, #&#039;s 1, 2, and 3 are not mutually exclusive propositions.  The truth is probably a very ugly melange.</p>
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		<title>By: cyntax</title>
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		<dc:creator>cyntax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have said the likelihood of 1 and 2 were both ridiculously small, until I read this the other week &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/09/castro-but-i-want-to-nuke-them-now.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;[via LGM]&lt;/A&gt; :

&lt;i&gt;In the early 1980s, according to newly released documents, Fidel Castro was suggesting a Soviet nuclear strike against the United States, until Moscow dissuaded him by patiently explaining how the radioactive cloud resulting from such a strike would also devastate Cuba....&lt;i&gt;

Assumptions and dictators: not a good mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d have said the likelihood of 1 and 2 were both ridiculously small, until I read this the other week <a HREF="http://lefarkins.blogspot.com/2009/09/castro-but-i-want-to-nuke-them-now.html" rel="nofollow">[via LGM]</a> :</p>
<p><i>In the early 1980s, according to newly released documents, Fidel Castro was suggesting a Soviet nuclear strike against the United States, until Moscow dissuaded him by patiently explaining how the radioactive cloud resulting from such a strike would also devastate Cuba&#8230;.</i><i></p>
<p>Assumptions and dictators: not a good mix.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Comrade PhysioProf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comrade PhysioProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, umm, HITLER!!!11!!1!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, umm, HITLER!!!11!!1!</p>
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