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		<title>Comment on ALL ONE THING OR ALL THE OTHER by blahedo</title>
		<link>http://www.ginandtacos.com/2012/02/08/all-one-thing-or-all-the-other/comment-page-1/#comment-85842</link>
		<dc:creator>blahedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ladiesbane and @Mike are right, of course, about the problems of continually saying &quot;just wait a little longer&quot;.  It&#039;s especially dangerous when progress is happening very slowly, though, and while I&#039;m not *thrilled* at lack-of-progress, I do actually think that progress is happening pretty fast on its own right now.  So, while I won&#039;t tell anyone &quot;don&#039;t rock the boat&quot; (&#039;cause every boat could do with a bit of rocking), I&#039;m not overly concerned about having to wait for the final result---I think it&#039;s definitely on its way, and we won&#039;t have to wait very long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ladiesbane and @Mike are right, of course, about the problems of continually saying &#034;just wait a little longer&#034;.  It&#039;s especially dangerous when progress is happening very slowly, though, and while I&#039;m not *thrilled* at lack-of-progress, I do actually think that progress is happening pretty fast on its own right now.  So, while I won&#039;t tell anyone &#034;don&#039;t rock the boat&#034; (&#039;cause every boat could do with a bit of rocking), I&#039;m not overly concerned about having to wait for the final result&#8212;I think it&#039;s definitely on its way, and we won&#039;t have to wait very long.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ALL ONE THING OR ALL THE OTHER by acer</title>
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		<dc:creator>acer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Monkey Business:
With all due respect to her, I wish RBG would just retire now.

How many more functions can she sleep through?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Monkey Business:<br />
With all due respect to her, I wish RBG would just retire now.</p>
<p>How many more functions can she sleep through?</p>
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		<title>Comment on ALL ONE THING OR ALL THE OTHER by Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@xynzee: There&#039;s always an argument for waiting just a &lt;i&gt;little&lt;/i&gt; bit longer.

Public opinion is changing, but it didn&#039;t just magically change for no reason. It is changing because people pushed the issue. 

Agree there is risk with this SCOTUS, but there is always risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@xynzee: There&#039;s always an argument for waiting just a <i>little</i> bit longer.</p>
<p>Public opinion is changing, but it didn&#039;t just magically change for no reason. It is changing because people pushed the issue. </p>
<p>Agree there is risk with this SCOTUS, but there is always risk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MATTERS OF FAITH by ladiesbane</title>
		<link>http://www.ginandtacos.com/2012/01/31/matters-of-faith/comment-page-2/#comment-85817</link>
		<dc:creator>ladiesbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Xynzee, were there but worlds enough and time. :-) I appreciate your philosophic take on man&#039;s condition (applying to us women as well, of course) but I&#039;m surprised you hold with Original Sin.  Were Adam and Eve real people whose history we derive from Gen. 1 and Gen. 2?  I don&#039;t know that I can go that far, since I hold that the older version is based on perceptions formed by the Enuma Elish, if not swiped outright.

But if Adam and Eve were not real persons, we are simply making up a story to explain something about man&#039;s state of affairs.  That does serve a purpose, and is very common in the Tanakh, but a made-up origin story cannot be relied upon as firm ground for logically (or metaphysically) sound extrapolation.  If it&#039;s not history, it&#039;s what we decide we want to believe, no?  &quot;It would explain so much&quot; doesn&#039;t make it true or factual.  I can make up many other stories which would fit just as beautifully.

As for forgiveness, it&#039;s difficult to go too far into the matter without dealing in anecdotes, case by case.  So many factors are involved in judging healthy relationships.  But while I agree with you (and your minister) on the abusive relationship front, I would say that release of toxic emotions is not forgiveness, it&#039;s just letting go and moving on.  A victim can be free of grudges and not cling to pain without letting the wrongdoer off the hook for what was done, repentance or no repentance.  

And I just deleted a paragraph of boundary anecdotes.  Sorry to continue; religion is a favorite topic of mine, and religious discussions don&#039;t get resolved, only interrupted. :-)  But I do recommend taking a look at Montanism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Xynzee, were there but worlds enough and time. :-) I appreciate your philosophic take on man&#039;s condition (applying to us women as well, of course) but I&#039;m surprised you hold with Original Sin.  Were Adam and Eve real people whose history we derive from Gen. 1 and Gen. 2?  I don&#039;t know that I can go that far, since I hold that the older version is based on perceptions formed by the Enuma Elish, if not swiped outright.</p>
<p>But if Adam and Eve were not real persons, we are simply making up a story to explain something about man&#039;s state of affairs.  That does serve a purpose, and is very common in the Tanakh, but a made-up origin story cannot be relied upon as firm ground for logically (or metaphysically) sound extrapolation.  If it&#039;s not history, it&#039;s what we decide we want to believe, no?  &#034;It would explain so much&#034; doesn&#039;t make it true or factual.  I can make up many other stories which would fit just as beautifully.</p>
<p>As for forgiveness, it&#039;s difficult to go too far into the matter without dealing in anecdotes, case by case.  So many factors are involved in judging healthy relationships.  But while I agree with you (and your minister) on the abusive relationship front, I would say that release of toxic emotions is not forgiveness, it&#039;s just letting go and moving on.  A victim can be free of grudges and not cling to pain without letting the wrongdoer off the hook for what was done, repentance or no repentance.  </p>
<p>And I just deleted a paragraph of boundary anecdotes.  Sorry to continue; religion is a favorite topic of mine, and religious discussions don&#039;t get resolved, only interrupted. :-)  But I do recommend taking a look at Montanism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ALL ONE THING OR ALL THE OTHER by Major Kong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Major Kong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t see how letting two gay people get married would somehow make me &lt;i&gt;less&lt;/i&gt; married.

It&#039;s not as if there&#039;s only so much marriage to go around and if we let them have some there won&#039;t be enough for the rest of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#039;t see how letting two gay people get married would somehow make me <i>less</i> married.</p>
<p>It&#039;s not as if there&#039;s only so much marriage to go around and if we let them have some there won&#039;t be enough for the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ALL ONE THING OR ALL THE OTHER by Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:51:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, ditto Mark.  I think &lt;i&gt;Romer v. Evans&lt;/i&gt; is the instructive case here.  Either the Supreme Court upholds the decision as applicable only in the case of Prop 8 in California, or it overturns it and leaves the decision to state legislatures or courts interpreting state constitutions, but that can&#039;s going to keep rattling down the road a while yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, ditto Mark.  I think <i>Romer v. Evans</i> is the instructive case here.  Either the Supreme Court upholds the decision as applicable only in the case of Prop 8 in California, or it overturns it and leaves the decision to state legislatures or courts interpreting state constitutions, but that can&#039;s going to keep rattling down the road a while yet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ALL ONE THING OR ALL THE OTHER by ladiesbane</title>
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		<dc:creator>ladiesbane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a fan of patience, but look at how well that worked out for the Equal Rights Amendment.  It is reintroduced ever year and fails each time.  If that sounds like an exercise in futility, tell me how it would be any different for the legalization of gay marriage.  

(The &quot;oh, it would totally be different this time, totally,&quot; argument will not suffice.)

Why it&#039;s any different, legally, from interracial marriage, I don&#039;t know.  But I wonder about the role of public opinion in lawmaking generally.  Interracial marriage became legal in 1967, but more than a decade later, it still had a 38% approval rating among the populace -- and yet the Supremes did the right thing, long before it became popular.  There was reason.  And the same reason applies here.  So why haven&#039;t we seen the Supremes do the right thing?  Are they waiting for Scalia to stroke out?  

The Rev. Jerry Falwell, back in the late 50s, argued that prohibiting segregation would lead to miscegenation, and therefore the watering down of the white race.  Can&#039;t have THAT, now, can we?  It&#039;s the same song we hear now about gay marriage Destroying the Sanctity of the Family.  

[And to pip Santorum, why shouldn&#039;t polygamy be legal?  It would require attention to inheritance laws, another state-to-state fiasco, as well as insurance and other administrative details, but I can&#039;t see a reason not to allow it.]

Ultimately, my hope is that religion-based elements of law be weeded out.  I don&#039;t care if the almighty Founders worshiped a glow-in-the-dark pepper pot; modern law should not be based on any religious tenets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m a fan of patience, but look at how well that worked out for the Equal Rights Amendment.  It is reintroduced ever year and fails each time.  If that sounds like an exercise in futility, tell me how it would be any different for the legalization of gay marriage.  </p>
<p>(The &#034;oh, it would totally be different this time, totally,&#034; argument will not suffice.)</p>
<p>Why it&#039;s any different, legally, from interracial marriage, I don&#039;t know.  But I wonder about the role of public opinion in lawmaking generally.  Interracial marriage became legal in 1967, but more than a decade later, it still had a 38% approval rating among the populace &#8212; and yet the Supremes did the right thing, long before it became popular.  There was reason.  And the same reason applies here.  So why haven&#039;t we seen the Supremes do the right thing?  Are they waiting for Scalia to stroke out?  </p>
<p>The Rev. Jerry Falwell, back in the late 50s, argued that prohibiting segregation would lead to miscegenation, and therefore the watering down of the white race.  Can&#039;t have THAT, now, can we?  It&#039;s the same song we hear now about gay marriage Destroying the Sanctity of the Family.  </p>
<p>[And to pip Santorum, why shouldn't polygamy be legal?  It would require attention to inheritance laws, another state-to-state fiasco, as well as insurance and other administrative details, but I can't see a reason not to allow it.]</p>
<p>Ultimately, my hope is that religion-based elements of law be weeded out.  I don&#039;t care if the almighty Founders worshiped a glow-in-the-dark pepper pot; modern law should not be based on any religious tenets.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ALL ONE THING OR ALL THE OTHER by blahedo</title>
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		<dc:creator>blahedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@unclemike: Yes, except they won&#039;t hear &quot;whichever&quot; DOMA case, they&#039;ll combine several of them into a single decision.  Brown v Board was actually a SCOTUS decision on five different appellate cases that were all fairly similar but from different circuits, for instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@unclemike: Yes, except they won&#039;t hear &#034;whichever&#034; DOMA case, they&#039;ll combine several of them into a single decision.  Brown v Board was actually a SCOTUS decision on five different appellate cases that were all fairly similar but from different circuits, for instance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ALL ONE THING OR ALL THE OTHER by Monkey Business</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monkey Business</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 16:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re-electing Obama is important, just to ensure that when Ginsburg retires we get another liberal.

Of course, there&#039;s always hoping Thomas and Scalia get hit by a bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re-electing Obama is important, just to ensure that when Ginsburg retires we get another liberal.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#039;s always hoping Thomas and Scalia get hit by a bus.</p>
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