UNHEEDED WARNINGS

Recently, Rhode Island and Minnesota brought the number of states in which gay marriage is legal to an even dozen. In doing so, they chose not only to thumb their nose at thousands of years of traditional marriage and the Judeo-Christian roots of American society, but they also chose to ignore some alarming evidence from the ten states that legalized gay marriage before them.

Take Maryland, for example. It legalized gay marriage in 2012, effective January 1, 2013. As we near the end of May, we can see clearly the consequences of that decision. Take a look at these sobering statistics for 2013:

– 94% of straight married couples in Maryland have gotten divorced
– More than 7,000 man-dog marriages have been performed statewide
– In place of the Pledge of Allegiance, Maryland children now begin the school day with a three-minute pulsing techno beat
– Baltimore's Basilica of the Blessed Virgin Mary – the first Roman Catholic Cathedral built in the U.S. – has been converted to a gay bar called The Oil Rig. The rectory is now "Mouthfuls", a discotheque. Little of the original stained glass has been preserved.
– The CDC has identified a new, more virulent strain of the gay causing locally serious outbreaks in the Baltimore-DC corridor. Initial reports indicate that it may be airborne.
– The Super Bowl Champion Baltimore Ravens are too busy having sex with one another to practice; the upcoming season has been forfeited.

The sad part about these developments is that they were so predictable. Defenders of traditional marriage warned us that by destroying the sanctity of the institution, all marriages would be weakened and made less meaningful. A society that does not respect marriage descends into complete amorality with astonishing speed. Maryland did not heed the warning; how many other states must make the same mistake before we learn?

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64 Responses to “UNHEEDED WARNINGS”

  1. Xynzee Says:

    Anon: what are you? An escapee from Westboro Baptist? Your logic seems to be along same lines.

    WB logic: late season superstorm hits NYC/NJ. It's God's punishment upon us for the gays.
    A Logic: church attendance down. It's because of the gays.

    Nothing to do w/ 300+ years of intensive fossil fuel burning and deforestation.
    Nothing to do with 60yrs+ of post-modernism. So get your hand off it Daryl, as I hate to break it to you and your friends at Westboro, the world let alone the universe seriously doesn't revolve around gays. But if you and your world are so tragically small that you can only see it through a prism of sex and sexual identity… well that's your own tragedy and the story you've written for yourself.

    WB Logic: abortion is leading to a nazi holocaust.
    A Logic: someone says "I'm opposed to gay marriage". Anon concludes they implicitly and explicitly condone/support and in fact is gleefully building gas chambers or wishes they had been alive to run the gas chambers. Planning on moving to Uganda to commit heinous acts upon others.

    Yes Anon. Impeccable logic to say the least. The people at Westboro would be proud of you.

  2. Anon Says:

    @Jon : "… seen as 'too licky'" is epic. Thanks for winning the comment thread! :)

  3. Elle Says:

    @Xynzee

    I think that you are unfairly maligning Anon's analysis, as well as being unkind and ungracious in your remarks to him/her.

    The Barna Group's own analysis of young people's impressions of the church draws the same conclusion that Anon does, but obviously from a slightly different perspective. A piece of work they did in 2007 identified that 80% of young Christians identify the church as 'anti-homosexual' (their language, not mine), along with 91% of young non-Christians. This prompted Rachel Held Evans, among other evangelical writers, to produce a fairly impassioned plea for evangelical Christianity to reconsider its role in the culture war.

    Follow-up work by Barna, looking explicitly at the issue of young people leaving the church, identified sexuality and attitudes to difference as two of six key things driving young people away from church.

    I'm not sure why you think that it's ludicrous to bring up Uganda in the context of a discussion on same-sex marriage. There seems to be entirely reasonable grounds to side-eye the connection between the anti-marriage equality campaigns in the US and the formulation of vicious homophobic legislation in Uganda and elsewhere.

  4. JohnR Says:

    Once again we see that language is the foremost barrier to communication. Maybe we should invent a symbol to represent Inigo's Observation.

  5. just me Says:

    Elle Says:

    May 24th, 2013 at 3:05 am
    Try sex outside of marriage in general. Ah! There, now can you see the forest for the trees?

    There are churches or religious organisations arguing that fornication should be unlawful?

    Tragic. Tragic, I say.
    It was difficult enough to watch Major Kong sully himself.
    Oh, I understand the temptation. But I can't believe that you, dear lady, bothered to soil your slippers by wading into this tripe.

  6. Elle Says:

    I appreciate your concern for my slippers, Just Me. In reciprocal interest as to your continued wellbeing, I would advise against reading the post I've made in this thread that is currently languishing in the moderation queue.

  7. Big Sister Says:

    @brooklyn4eveh. Isn't the answer thirty-eight? Fifty states,minus twelve that allow gay marriage, leaves us with thirty-eight to go. (I did the arithmetic in my head, so it could be wrong)

  8. Anon Says:

    Wow, Xynzee. Just wow.

    You're arguing with a queer, and you run out of arguments, so you compare me to Westboro Baptist Church, because hey, it's the most hurtful thing you can think of, so why not?

    When Black people out-argue you, do you just casually throw out "what are you, an escapee from the KKK?"

    When a Jew takes you to task for your bad behavior, do you call them a Nazi? Is that your last resort argument?

    Because frankly, Christian, if YOU were suffering real persecution, if the Westboro Baptist Church were protesting the funerals of YOUR loved ones, maybe you would understand how inappropriate your swinish behavior is.

    Because, you see, real persecution isn't just "wah! someone is disagreeing with me on the Internet! You're spoiling my enjoyment of Gin and Tacos! Why won't the homosexuals just leave us good Christians alone?"

    You have indicated that if you lived in ancient Israel, you would KILL people like me, and count yourself a righteous person for doing so.

    When I balk at that, you insult me, you call me ignorant, and you tell me that I'm delusional and have a "persecution complex" if I think the Christian Emperors of Rome, the Nazis, the UK government (up until the 1860's) and the current Uganda government have ever persecuted homosexuals, because you claim that your people quit killing homosexuals over 2,000 years ago, LIAR.

    And when I refuse to pin the Christian Medal of Self-Congratulation on you when you proudly declare that you people quit carrying out God's orders to kill us just as soon as the pagans made you quit, you whine about how YOU are the one really being persecuted.

    And when that doesn't fly, you compare me to Westboro.

    I wish I could return the compliment, so you could gain some perspective on how non-Christians see you, Xynzee. But the fact is that it's impossible for me to do so, because you're a Christian. You people have been shitting on me all my life, but you have the luxury of never having to know what real persecution is.

  9. Xynzee Says:

    @Elle: are there links to the actual survey questions themselves? This does not detract from the overall message that church must improve how it conveys its message of salvation and redemption while continuing to stand that sin is unacceptable.

    If I asked a battery of questions:
    Is the church opposed to fornication?
    Is the church opposed to pornography?
    Is the church opposed to adultery?
    Is the church opposed to prostitution?
    Is the church opposed to homosexuality?

    The conclusion is: the church opposes sex!!!

    If I asked a battery of questions:
    Is the church opposed to fornication?
    Is the church opposed to pornography?
    Is the church opposed to drug/alcohol *abuse/addiction*?
    Is the church opposed to prostitution?
    Is the church opposed to contravening the law by using illegal substances.
    Is the church opposed to homosexuality?

    We wind up some where else.

    If we ask:
    Is the church opposed to sin which includes: fornication, pornograpgy, adultery, theft, use of *illegal* drugs, homosexuality, avarice, drug/alcohol *abuse*, drug dealing…

    We wind up somewhere closer to the mark.
    NB: the churches that I attend treat these with gentleness and love. Not a perceived harshness and judgementalism. Though anyone when confronted with their sin will not see it that way at the time. As I'm sure many are aware from their experiences with either their own or a relative's alcoholism.

    Elle, I am surprised by your drawing an equivalence between SSM and *killing* someone, let alone creating a slippery slope between one to the other. Your arguments are usually far tighter than this. I may not agree with you, but I respect your argumentation, but on this one you've missed the mark. Not being/Having the ability for married does *not* preclude one from enjoying/participating in a full and rewarding life. This is evidenced by heterosexual singles who never marry and hetero-defacto relationships (w/ or w/o kids). Are these groups in any way prohibited from participating life and its necessities? Are they threatened with denial of housing, work, imprisonment, death? Then neither should gays.

    You *must* have work (which equals food and shelter), you must have social connections (family/friends). However, you will not die if you do not marry or have sex. See the difference? It is not the same beating, imprisoning or torturing. Not by a long shot.

    Now then, I will draw a line between denial of work, housing, imprisonment to what's happening in Uganda. I am more than appalled, and gladly manned the battlements to fight the OCA. I will oppose *any* such measures and would help to campaign for repeal of or to prevent enactment of laws of the OCA nature. If my state had them I would have helped campaign against antisodomy laws. We don't arrest and imprison alcoholics and fornicators for *being* those do we? If one sin is bad enough to arrest then so is the other.

    Unfortunately, because I do not view SSM as a "civil right" but as a spiritual issue my vote/efforts are not considered "good enough".

    To address your charge of homophobia. If I'm opposed to alcoholism does that make me dipsomaniaphobic? Because I'm opposed to porn does that make me pornophobic? Because I'm opposed to prostitution does that mean I'm uh… donnanocturnaphobic?

    Some how just because someone opposes what's popular and refuses to conform to concensus on this topic automatically casts them as an advocate of death camps. Anything like that is far from the truth. Just because I'm opposed does not mean I do not care. I see the topic as no more morally wrong as my own brokenness and moral failings. On the scales which is heavier? 1 gram uranium or 1 gram of plutonium? While mine is consider "socially acceptable", it is equally toxic to the soul.

  10. Xynzee Says:

    Anon:
    I'll try to answer your question. All I ask is that you try to listen to it w/ respect.
    This is something that happens over beers between friends over a number of years. Not strangers on the web. Does that make sense?

    I say this as someone who is just as broken by life as you are. As I said to Elle which is heavier. 1 gram of plutonium or 1 gram of uranium? At the end of the day both are toxic to the soul. I try to muddle along day by day too. I'm no better or worse than you.

    The problem I have in answering your question is that it sounds like I'm taking the piss (being facetious times 100). I'm not.

    Firstly, understand the Christian understanding of Leviticus. Leviticus' raîson d'être is to be horrible. It is supposed to be horrible, nasty and make us beyond uncomfortable. It points out how far short of perfection we fall.

    Even when we follow it to perfection we still fall short, ie the Pharisee and the tax collector. Who went away with his sin forgiven?

    Ironically that Pharisee wasn't some rhetorical figure. There was a Pharisee named Paul. I too hate Paul. Then…
    I found myself on the road to Damascus.

    Are you w/ me so far?

    Can you meet the levitical standards? If you only fall short in one area of your life more power to you. As for me, I know I cannot.

    Therefore the answer to Leviticus is Jesus.

    Sounds trite and facetious I know, but that's the answer. Leviticus shows *why* Jesus is important. No I'm not taking the piss. That's my answer.

    You mean as much to God as I do. God doesn't hate you.

    My concern for you isn't about who you love.
    Rather for the hurt and bitterness you carry in your heart. And that saddens me. That you will find the healing you need.

    As a fellow muddler on the road of life. I wish you well and peace.

  11. Anon Says:

    Xynzee, thanks for sharing.

    Sometimes Christians online will say, "I don't know why everyone hates Christians so much." And if they sincerely mean it, if they really want to know, I have a really good conversation explaining to them how their behavior comes across to non-Christians.

    Xynzee, to non-Christians, your behavior comes across as colossally holier-than-thou and condescending.

    A non-Christian in your situation would say, "Wow, Anon, on reflection I realize that it was really hurtful and inappropriate of me to compare a queer to the Westboro Baptist Church. I now realize that my comments about the historical persecution of queers were so irrelevant as to be offensive. That being the case, I'm sorry I called your motives into question and accused you of being ignorant of queer history.

    And for my behavior, I am deeply, truly, sorry."

    The Christian version:
    "Let me give you a sermon, and tell you how I feel so, so sorry for you because of this mysterious hurt that you seem to be feeling. I have no idea why you feel like Christians dump on you, but as I myself am also just a poor, confused sinner no better than you, I pray you can one day overcome this delusion that Christians are insulting you."

    See the difference, Xynzee?

    Again, this is how nearly all of my conversations with Christians go. They insult and belittle me, and then when I call them out on their nasty behavior, they use that to launch their "I have no idea why you're so angry, but you are clearly a poor, confused, hurt soul and I am praying for you" act. But the one thing a Christian will almost never do is apologize.

    Why?

    Because *to a Christian, it is always the non-Christian's fault.*

    It's like the old article from the Onion: "Pope forgives victims of pedophile priests." Because it's not just me. I'm just trying to explain to you what kind of public image your behavior has earned. That's why your religion is dying.

    So thank you for finding it within yourself to forgive me for the sin of being insulted and falsely accused by you.

    While we're on the topic, you seem confused by the fact that you are condemned as a homophobe even though you are opposed to anti-sodomy laws.

    If you ever raise a gay child, *they* won't need anyone to explain why your behavior is hurtful.

    "All I want to do is homeschool my child in young-Earth creationism. Why do people hate me so much?"

    "Why do people blame my religion for the death of children? So we don't believe in blood transfusions. It's not like we want to *outlaw* blood transfusions. Why do people hate me so much?"

    Like I said before, if you were the oppressed instead of the oppressor, you would understand. If you were queer, you would know that your Bible-based ideas about human sexuality are as spot-on as the creationists' Bible-based ideas about geology.

    That's why people respond so negatively to your beliefs. Because we know, from personal experience, how hurtful your beliefs are.

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